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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4763312.stm


The high price of illness in China

        
By Louisa Lim
BBC News, Beijing

Dr Liu Quan trudges 20km (12 miles) a day along Sichuan's muddy mountain paths on his rounds.

A village doctor for the past 55 years, he was just 15 when he started practising as a third-generation herbalist.

Dr Liu Quan says everyone got equal health care under Mao

In the 1970s he received simple training under Chairman Mao's programme to send "barefoot doctors" to serve China's rural masses.

Dr Liu still wears a faded Mao suit and a picture of the Great Helmsman dominates his bare clinic. He remembers those days with nostalgia.

"In Chairman Mao's time, you could see a doctor whether you had money or not. We could carry out disease prevention, like injections, whether our patients had money or not. Nowadays only those with money can get injections," he says.

Today the old system providing near-universal access to basic healthcare has been dismantled, as the government tries to spread the cost of providing healthcare to more than one billion people.
    
Our hospital's state funding isn't enough to even cover staff salaries for one month. Under the current system, hospitals have to chase profit to survive

Economics rule and village doctors need to turn a profit. But making money is not easy when your patients are too poor to afford medical services.

A World Health Organization survey measuring the equality of medical treatment placed China 187th out of 191 countries.

The WHO's Hana Brixi explains: "Healthcare providers need to raise revenues. They are not covered even for the delivery of public services.

"So they necessarily concentrate on those who have resources to spend. They provide excessive services to those who can pay, and limited services or no services at all to those who are unable to pay."

The evidence suggests the poor are failing to seek medical treatment because of the cost, while the rich are paying more and more.

Government figures show hospital visits actually dropped almost 5% between 2000 and 2003, yet hospital profits increased 70% over the same period.

Behind such bald statistics lie heartbreaking stories, like that of Mrs Li. She lies semi-paralysed, unable to speak, in a well-known Beijing hospital.

This is the result of a failed operation after she suffered a brain aneurysm. Her family have paid $18,000 and they do not know where the money has gone.

Her daughter, Xie Pei, suspects the hospital increased the fees after finding out how wealthy they were.

"My friend was visiting and a doctor asked her what my financial circumstances were like and what model of car I drove. The next day the doctor said the cost of the operation had gone up by $5,000."

Backhanders

The family admits they gave bribes to the doctors. It is not supposed to happen but it is commonplace in China.

"I gave $1,000 to the professor," said Xie Pei. "Before the operation, a doctor told me that surgery would take place that night and I had to give money to others, including the anaesthetist. In the end I gave $1,700 in red packets. The first thing they did after the operation [failed] was return most of the money."

The hospital declined to be interviewed by the BBC while it carries out an inquiry.

This case highlights many of the worst problems with China's health service. Since 1980, government spending dropped from 36% of all healthcare expenditure to 17%, while patients' out-of-pocket spending rocketed up from 20% to 59%.
    
One media report said a girl had 108 tests for an appendectomy, including an Aids test

With low subsidies, hospitals need to find other ways to cover their costs.

Hu Weimin knows their strategies all too well. He is a cardiovascular doctor turned whistleblower, who publicised his hospital's regulations showing how it made money from patients.

At his hospital, in Hunan province, doctors and their departments got a percentage payment from every prescription they wrote. So the more medicine doctors prescribed, the more they earned.

Each time a patient was hospitalised, the physician was awarded a bonus of $3, while more sophisticated procedures earned bigger handouts.

"There are many examples of chasing profit, such as ordering unnecessary test for a patient," Dr Hu told the BBC.

"For example, if someone has a cold, giving them a CT scan. One media report said a girl had 108 tests for an appendectomy, including an Aids test. Moreover the cost of medicine has doubled, tripled or worse by the time it reaches the patients."

Dr Hu was unwilling to speak about his own experience in detail. He had been beaten after exposing his hospital's charging system, and his family have moved elsewhere, fearful for their safety.

But Dr Hu admitted hospitals have no choice but to act the way they do.

"Our hospital's state funding isn't enough to even cover staff salaries for one month. Under the current system, hospitals have to chase profit to survive."

The system has even been criticised by a government think tank, the State Council's Development Research Centre, which said healthcare reforms had "basically failed".

Reforms

It warned that social stability and public support for the government could be affected if the country does not overhaul healthcare. But health ministry spokesman Mao Qun'an disagreed.

"We're providing basic health services for 22% of the world's population with 2% of the resources. I think we've had enormous success," he told the BBC.

He also outlined an ambitious programme of further reforms, including building low-cost hospitals in cities and providing healthcare insurance to the whole population by 2010.

However, Mr Mao acknowledged the system of hospital funding was flawed and admitted there was some overcharging.

"I think we are bravely admitting that problems exist in our medical system, and that's a sign of our self-confidence," he said. "It's an expression of our determination to tackle these problems."

Cheng Changzhen and her entire extended family
Cheng Changzhen's extended family contributed to her treatment

But in Fengyan village in Sichuan province, change will come too late for one family.

Mrs Cheng is already stick-thin, her flesh cleaving to her bones. She watches as the rest of the family eats, unable to keep her food down. She has womb cancer, but had to stop treatment after four rounds of chemotherapy.

"We have no money," she told me. "We relied on friends and relatives to raise money, but they can't raise any more. I still need treatment, but there's no more money."

Her son dropped out of high school to find work, sacrificing his future to raise money for his mother's treatment. Her husband, Liu Niancai, admits her illness has plunged the extended family, and some of their neighbours, into poverty.

"We used our life savings, more than $1,000, for treatment. But it cost more than three times that. All our relations and friends gave money, but it wasn't anywhere near enough," he said.

One World Bank study found 20% of China's poor blamed healthcare costs for their financial straits.

And the country's healthcare crisis reflects its biggest problems - fighting corruption, and bridging the ever-increasing divide between the rich and the poor, the city and the countryside.

With anger growing among the have-nots, China's leaders may find the political cost of failing to solve the problem could be higher than they ever imagined.

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Im sorry but I dont see a point to this post.  It can always be worse but you deal with what you are dealt;  some are more fortunate than others.

You are trying to compare apples to oranges.


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I really don't care about the anonymous suffering of strangers in a far away land.


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...you're right, people have it a lot worse than we do.  I'm lucky, my insurance covers everything.  At the risk of sounding holier-than-thou, I chose an occupation that helps kids.  I think I make a difference, but not as much lately because I am so exhausted and not always as intuitive or patient as in the past.  My job is very important to me.    I have to be on-top of things every day.  OSA has robbed me of my ability to be as effective as I have in the past.  

Because of this forum I have learned a lot and am finally starting to feel better.  Today is the first day in a long time that I have felt a little bit of the energy I used to have.  At 8:00 this morning one of my students brought another student in to tell me that she is cutting herself.  For those of you who don't know what that is, it is cutting themselves with razor blades for a variety of reasons.  Most kids are in an incredible amount of pain and see this as a release.  Others do it because they feel numb and want to feel something, even if it is pain.  This young lady is someone who is an over-achiever, has great grades, and has a lot going on her  family that is very stressful, and she is reacting to her stress in the only way she knows how.  She is 14.  This is a tough time to be a teenager.   I had to bring her mother in to tell her and she was devastated.  She is a good Mom and cares deeply about her kid.  It was an incredible blow to see the serious marks on her arm but they are going to deal with it in a healthy way and made an appointment with a great counselor before the end of the day.

Sometimes it sounds like we are whining, and sometimes we are negative, but we are also supportive of each other.  We have a right to feel good and we help each other on this forum - we are not attacking.  I am not going to apologize for worrying about my health and wanting to feel better.  My father had OSA, stopped the machine, and died not long after of a stroke at 68.  I see the hand-writing on the wall.  

I'm not sure you see the point of this forum, Lionel, but I hope your messages will be kinder from now on.  

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I was trying to read and understand why this person wrote the post on China, when this is a sleep apnea forum.  I would really really appreciate it if someone could answer a couple questions for me.  I am very claustrophobic, so I shyed away from the full face mask; however, I have not been able to sleep well with the nasal pillows or the other cover for the nose.  I have stuffy nose a lot and even have the humidifier but keep it on 1.  I cannot sleep with the things on, and now I got a cold to top it off, and this morning I woke with my heart rate 150 and frightened me (again).  I used the system to try and clean my sinuses up, but having been on allergy shots for many years, I found that my sinuses block, so I can't get a lot of relief there.  Maybe the only thing I can do is get the full face mask and try that, but I am horrified to try it.  Anyone else like me out there?  I am so exhausted from no sleep, I have my family here from the middle east and I can't even enjoy them.  When I get home from work, I want to drop.  HELP!@!  Sleepy Melinda from Florida


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Lionel, do you have sleep apnea?  If you do, you should be more understanding, and if you don't then I do not think you should talk in a condescending manner to those of us who do have it and are searching, sometimes frantically, for help breathing.  Shame on you no matter what.  I feel very sorry for all of the people who are less fortunate than we are here in this country, but just this week read where doctors and nurses went to one of these countries and performed many surgeries on people free of charge.  They were from here in Florida, from my town and hospital.  They gave of themselves and helped even a woman who had her uterus out for many years.  Please be more sympathetic to others needs.


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 There are posts about the new Hybrid mask on the forum, maybe this might be of help to you! Read some of the reviews, they are interesting!! It may be what you are looing for. Wink

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I WISH I had read this yesterday.  Today they are bringing full face for me, and I just called when I read about the hybrid, they said would have to order and needed a Rx, but if the full face does not work for me, I will definitely be looking for the hybrid, even if I have to pay for it myself, thank you so much, God Bless, Sleepy Melinda in Florida


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